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  1. Craig Crumpton
    April 21, 2010 @ 4:27 am

    For the record, the link to usconstituationalfreepress was not added by me. It’s “automatically generated” as a “possibly related post.”

    But since it’s there, you can see the original blog post that crossed the line legally by publishing a private phone number and a private recorded message, and encouraged people to drop their insurance with Geico because of his association with the company.

    It’s disgusting and outrageous that someone like the individual who runs that blog would stoop so low in retaliation over a private voicemail that expressed an opinion.

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  2. Dan Nims
    April 21, 2010 @ 8:47 am

    I agree. This is ‘over the top.’ In a pluralistic society such as ours, it is highly impractical to force a ‘litmus’ test on every merchant or service provider to ensure that they fit your profile of ‘political correctness.’

    Free speech requires the tolerance of citizens to ‘occassional hear what you don’t want said.’ Campaigning for the dismissal of an employee because he is ‘not in your camp’ is wrong.

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  3. ShadowWing Tronix
    April 21, 2010 @ 11:06 am

    I can’t really root for anyone here. While I have no doubt there are in fact some “bad apples” in the bunch, most of the Tea Party movement are not as portrayed, and there have been reports of “plants” purposely trying to make them look bad. Sometimes it really is a war of ideals.

    On the other hand, while I certainly don’t agree with what the actor did, getting him fired like that seems just as jerkish (to put it mildly). I don’t know if Freedom Works are liberal targets or bad apples, but stuff like this will only be used by Tea Party critics to make the movement as a whole look bad, and sadly this isn’t out of context or a lie but an actual stupid move. I would have just laughed him off and pointed my attention at the real problem.

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  4. StoicLion
    April 21, 2010 @ 8:58 pm

    Craig, weren’t Mr. Douglas’ comments and behavior more disgusting? He purposely left his phone number on the message AND admitted using insulting language. Ironically, he demonstrated behavior against an organization accused of the same but with no evidence. That’s a definition of “projection”. Freedom Works made his behavior public; it was GEICO’s decision to release him.

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  5. Craig Crumpton
    April 23, 2010 @ 4:01 am

    @stoiclion: No, I don’t believe Douglas’ comments or behavior was “more disgusting” than FreedomWorks’ abusive and ridiculously over-the-top retaliation.

    FreedomWorks probably gets hundreds upon thousands of irate calls. Why did they single out one individual among them, and then publish his private phone number and voicemail (easily enough grounds for a lawsuit) and call for GEICO to fire him?

    I’m not defending what Douglas did. He makes his own case for that on his blog. But I am appalled by how FreedomWorks responded to something so insignificant.

    And to anyone else reading this who is considering adding their opinion, I will not publish any comments which use inappropriate and unnecessary language, attack me or anyone else who has posted here or call me “stupid and ignorant” for publishing a press release.

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  6. StoicLion
    April 23, 2010 @ 2:08 pm

    @Craig, it may be insignificant to you. Apparently, Freedom Works and GEICO thought differently. A person, company or organization as the right to protect its reputation against slander and scurrilous attacks. You do so by not posting comments you deem inappropriate. Freedom Works chose public humiliation. Mr. Douglas should count himself lucky Freedom Works isn’t bringing a civil case against him. Maybe the pro bono lawyer he’s looking for will tell him that.

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  7. Craig Crumpton
    April 23, 2010 @ 6:12 pm

    @stoclion: Again, please consider that FreedomWorks gets HUNDREDS of irate and sarcastic calls. Why select some random person for public humiliation?

    And why use such questionable and ignoble tactics to humiliate him?

    And a civil case over a voicemail? Please. People like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh would have to take up permanent residence at a court house if they did that.

    Heck, if your logic follows, I would have a civil case for some of the inappropriate comments submitted here that you won’t see published.

    Seriously, I would’ve just dismissed the phone call as a prank and moved on. I refuse to believe they haven’t gotten calls like that in the past.

    It’s because they found out that “Lance” was a *somebody* that they retaliated.

    Douglas’ opinions are his own and this situation is his to deal with, not mine. But FreedomWorks could have taken the issue up with him privately rather than publishing his voicemail and his private phone number. Heck, they put it up on youtube for crying out.

    Also, people forget that Douglas wasn’t a “spokesperson” for GEICO. He was a hired voice. We wouldn’t even know that it was Douglas’ voice behind the spots if GEICO had not granted him permission to be credited for it because GEICO certainly never acknowledged it publicly. Most companies don’t disclose that info unless it’s a celebrity.

    He’s not like a Disney Channel star where they have to sign an agreement that they will behave a certain way. He was simply a hired voice. So whatever he chooses to do in his free time, he’s perfectly free to do so.

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  8. StoicLion
    April 25, 2010 @ 11:55 pm

    We see things differently. To me, your comments seem flippant. I sympathize with Freedom Works because I’ve had to defend my reputation before. I could not simply ignore it and hope it went away; and, I did not have the luxury of a sympathetic ear (or media, in Mr. Douglas’ case). People thought I was taking things too seriously but with persistence, I preserved what only I could.

    I hope you never experience that, Craig. Sometimes, it’s not as easy as choosing not to post messages. And if you do, I hope people on the other side don’t dismiss your efforts as “questionable” and “ignoble”.

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  9. Craig Crumpton
    April 26, 2010 @ 3:06 pm

    Your opinion of my comments is wrong. They aren’t casual remarks and I don’t make them lightly. I also have had to defend my reputation which is why I side with Douglas on this, and not just because he happens to be a voice actor.

    I support him because I don’t believe FreedomWorks was trying to “defend their reputation.” Douglas left an anonymous voicemail that would never have been made public were it not for the fact that FreedomWorks seized on his connection with GEICO and exploited it to meet their agenda. Considering the fact that they must surely constantly receive complaints, negative outbursts and sarcastic phone messages, I find their reaction unnecessary and horrendous.

    As I have already said, Douglas must deal with the outcome of his own actions. While I would agree that his approach was harsh, I still don’t believe it warranted the kind of response he got from FreedomWorks. I don’t see how anyone could believe this was the first time they’ve received a voicemail like that. Again, I would’ve simply dismissed it as a prank and moved on.

    And just as a way of comparison, I haven’t listened to his radio show in quite some time but conservative talk show host Sean Hannity had a bit on his show where he would play the angry messages left on his voicemail. He even created a specific 1-800 number just for them. They were irate, sarcastic, spiteful, ridiculous, outrageous and often downright hateful. And the message Douglas left pales greatly in comparison to them.

    Hannity never identified the callers, never publicly defended himself against comments and opinions that were completely wrong and unfounded, and he used them as entertainment on his show.

    FreedomWorks’ reaction, however, was the complete opposite.

    But I won’t drag this discussion out any further. I’ve said my piece. This is an entertainment blog, not a political one. I nearly didn’t publish this press release because I knew it could draw unwanted attention to my blog from sources that have no interest in this blog’s product. I was fully aware that I’d end up with trolls looking to start an argument.

    But I felt Douglas’ situation warranted media exposure and thus why I posted it here.

    Hopefully, Douglas and FreedomWorks will be able to settle this quickly and without a long, drawn-out legal process. Two wrongs of course don’t make a right, but I believe FreedomWorks’ reaction was unnecessary and that they should be held accountable for their questionable and extremely over-the-top backlash.

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  10. normanx
    April 28, 2010 @ 7:34 pm

    The idea that the private expression of an employee of any company can result in their being fired is horrible and scary. BUT.. it lead me to investigate my rates with GEICO… I went to the State of California web page that compares auto insurance rates… and found insurance for the same coverage at HALF what GEICO was charging me. HALF!… your results may vary… but…. money is money… and freedom of expression is freedom of expression. Personally, I would have dropped GEICO anyway, even if I had to pay more.

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  11. StoicLion
    April 28, 2010 @ 9:05 pm

    If Mr. Douglas wanted anonymity, he should not have left his phone number. Whatever his motivation for leaving the message on the Freedom Works’ voxmail, he was hoisted by his own petard (to paraphrase Shakespeare).

    But you’re right, let’s make this the last comment on this topic. I am neither a troll nor am I a newbie to voice-over and voice actors. I enjoy your blog, which is why I’m here. And I have been a fan of voice actors for well over 2 decades. I didn’t come here to challenge you or anything of the sort.

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